need2boat wrote:I guess my question for Roger is why members of NJ as whole should volunteer. Anyone who belongs to an organization should help do there part including volunteering but whats the end goal in getting NJ to help. Is he looking to get some help from the the MOA in support for improving laws in the state of NJ? Maybe get a Rally in the state. It's no shocker I'm not a member of the MOA but that's mostly because I've yet to see the value. I spoke to Harry briefly at the last meeting and left feeling less then inspired.
That said if Roger would like to make a case for the MOA. I'd consider joining. Tell him to come to a meeting and make a case for it. From what I can tell the numbers of members is dropping in the club and my guess on reasoning would tie back to "value".
I'll repeat the answer a member of the executive board gave to me, concerning rally location, at a rally years ago. " you know - you're right. How about you chair the rally site committee the next few years and work that out"
I disengaged from the conversation. Aside from an interesting motorcycle area with decent motorcycle roads in the area, you need a large area (do we have a State fairground) and hotel motel rooms for a few thousand people, the 'camping area' has to have hookups for 100+ RVs (30a hook ups) and air conditioned buildings for vendors and meeting rooms. I'm fairly familiar with the State and don't know of a venue that can come even close. Maybe you do, if so bring it up. Face it our State sucks for riding a motorcycle.
AS to the Value:
Dues cost less than an oil change (with a filter). I see it as a way to support the marque and meet people with a common interest in motorcycles and traveling on them. Going to the rallys that I find in the club magazine I've met people from all over the country. Nothing like riding across the Country to the other coast and as your riding into the campground stopping with a half dozen or more people that you bumped into at other rallys, before you find a spot to put your tent. The club magazine IHMO has improved greatly over the last decade and is just as professional as any Motorcycle Magazine. Seeing as the members are involved in numerous aspects of motorcycling there are sure to be some articles that don't interest you. Value for something is different for different reasons. I belong to a local BMW club that has yearly dues less than NSBMW and that includes the Christmas party. How do they do that, I don't know. Does that make it a better value??
The cost of the national is high (compared to a local rally) but I can't think of a local rally that even comes close. Usually the entertainment alone is worth the entrance fee. No food is included but in reality what are you missing, hot dogs and chile on Friday and a meal on Saturday, this year if you used the early pre-registration the National is cheaper than most local rallys.
BMWMOA $49.................12 Monthly Magazines organizes getaways, rallys, discounts
BMWRA $35..................6 Monthly Magazines organizes rallys, discounts
HOG $45.................5 Monthly Magazines discounts, not sure what else
AMA $49................12 Monthly Magazines discounts, entry into racing events, discounts, political activities protect
motorcyclist rights at all levels. Free Membership after 25 years.
I assume everyone has been to a National Rally, I've been to a few. Too see something involving so many people with so much stuff going on all put on by volunteers is something to see. I think in the last few years maybe five (or less) people involved actually work for the BMWMOA. I think that volunteering for one shift is the minimum a person should do, some people work all year on the rally. By volunteering you sometimes get to meet people from outside your normal circle of acquaintances. Years ago I did registration with a couple from Canada that opened the gate to a whole bunch of new friends (and some interesting rallys) from the great North Country.
A far as I know the BMWMOA has never had a political role or taken any action for or against a bill in any State, it's not what they do. I think that's a good thing. Their mission is to advance the marque and provide opportunities for comradery between BMW owners. At a rally you can hear heated arguments about tire brands or oil brands but rarely (never for me) a word about Washington , DC (no good motorcycle roads there) or what happens there, and that's a blessing.
OTOH anyone that rides a motorcycle (no matter what you do with it) should be a member of the AMA. Aside from being the sanctioning organization for most motorcycle racing in the United States the AMA lobbies for motorcycle issues in Washington and has political action groups in most States.
Yes the membership is declining, the reason - look around at any motorcycle function. People are ageing out of the sport, the average age at the rallys is now up in the mid 60's. That situation in HOG is the same, but with the Harley owners the sales of their prefered machine is also dropping, maybe their situation is worse. BMW sales are going up and if people want to support the Marque and continue to have events like the BMW Get Aways, National Rallys and the BMWMOA Magazine they should support a club that supports their interests.
As far as 'telling' Roger to come to a meeting, maybe better to ask. He sends that e-mail to the Jersey Clubs as a, heads up, courtesy, as he doesn't have a problem filling the registration slots. Explain what questions you have and I'm sure he'll show up and try to answer them. Roger, and a hard core group like him, are the cement that hold this National Club together, and he's a rider.